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    I'd still have Federer as the very best, but I do agree with Marc in a way. A lot of his early Slams were against jobbers and playing for a few years against nobody particularly good really helped to boost his stats.

    The fact he's still going strong at his age is very impressive, though. I do hope that Djokovic and Murray are back fully fit for the US though so we can see how Fed holds up to a real challenge. Probably not gonna happen though - seems likely they'll both be taking an extended break now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AfroJoe View Post
    I'd still have Federer as the very best, but I do agree with Marc in a way. A lot of his early Slams were against jobbers and playing for a few years against nobody particularly good really helped to boost his stats.

    The fact he's still going strong at his age is very impressive, though. I do hope that Djokovic and Murray are back fully fit for the US though so we can see how Fed holds up to a real challenge. Probably not gonna happen though - seems likely they'll both be taking an extended break now.
    What about the Australian Open this year? Everyone was fit for that tournament right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastermind360 View Post
    What about the Australian Open this year? Everyone was fit for that tournament right?
    Djokovic said after his Wimbledon exit that his elbow has been bothering him for about a year now. Excuses? Maybe, maybe not.

    And Murray has just looked drained all year. A lot of that has been injury, although I don't recall that he was hurt in Melbourne. That was just a really poor performance against Zverev.

    The pair of them have been pretty ineffective all year, though, for what seems to be a variety of reasons. If they could get back to their 2016 best, this year would be very interesting with Federer and Nadal both back to a higher level than they've been for a while. But Federer has had a pretty easy go of things this year, imo.

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    Is that the players he's played in Wimbledon finals? I don't get it? Or GS finals?

    If GS, then that's like 7/18.

    So he's smashed 11 "good players" in finals. Don't see the problem then.

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    What about Nadal then? Most of his Grand Slam's are bloody French ffs. With like 2 Wimbledon's and 1 something else around it. (Doesn't have an Aussie or US)

    And Djokovic doesn't seem to have had the mentality to carry on winning from what I understand and got a bit lax.

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    Bit harsh when Novak set the longest unbeaten streak in the modern era. I'm a casual tennis watcher but peak Novak is very very very tough to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Che Forever View Post
    What about Nadal then? Most of his Grand Slam's are bloody French ffs. With like 2 Wimbledon's and 1 something else around it. (Doesn't have an Aussie or US)

    And Djokovic doesn't seem to have had the mentality to carry on winning from what I understand and got a bit lax.
    I actually do think that takes away from Nadal's legacy, and why he's nowhere near Djokovic as an all-round player.

    He has won all four Slams, though. 2 Wimbledon, 2 US, 1 Australian.

    I think it'd be good to see someone win all the top level ATP events, but it seems really unlikely.

    Federer is missing the Olympics and 3 Masters (Monte Carlo, Rome and Toronto/Montreal).
    Nadal is missing the WTF and also 3 Masters (Miami, Shanghai and Paris).
    Djokovic is missing the Olympics and just one Masters (Cincinnati).
    Murray is missing the Australian and French Slams with 2 Masters (Indian Wells and Monte Carlo).

    Novak is the closest, but has the toughest one to take, which is the Olympic Gold, and he won't get a chance at that again until 2020. You've got to think Federer has missed his chance at that one as well, plus I doubt he'll play clay again, meaning he'll never get those two clay M1000 events he's missing. Can anyone really see Nadal winning those 4 hard court events? I can't. Murray deserves an Aussie Open and could definitely do that, but I just can't see how he wins Roland Garros.
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    Does Nadal and Djokovic being massive cheats not affect them somewhat? "I just cut out gluten". Ok mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orton View Post
    Bit harsh when Novak set the longest unbeaten streak in the modern era. I'm a casual tennis watcher but peak Novak is very very very tough to beat.
    I know all that but from what I read and hear he's lost some/a lot of motivation in the past year or so when it's come to carrying it on to fight for GS titles.

    Which is a big minus against him when comparing him to Federer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfroJoe View Post
    I actually do think that takes away from Nadal's legacy, and why he's nowhere near Djokovic as an all-round player.

    He has won all four Slams, though. 2 Wimbledon, 2 US, 1 Australian.

    I think it'd be good to see someone win all the top level ATP events, but it seems really unlikely.

    Federer is missing the Olympics and 3 Masters (Monte Carlo, Rome and Toronto/Montreal).
    Nadal is missing the WTF and also 3 Masters (Miami, Shanghai and Paris).
    Djokovic is missing the Olympics and just one Masters (Cincinnati).
    Murray is missing the Australian and French Slams with 2 Masters (Indian Wells and Monte Carlo).

    Novak is the closest, but has the toughest one to take, which is the Olympic Gold, and he won't get a chance at that again until 2020. You've got to think Federer has missed his chance at that one as well, plus I doubt he'll play clay again, meaning he'll never get those two clay M1000 events he's missing. Can anyone really see Nadal winning those 4 hard court events? I can't. Murray deserves an Aussie Open and could definitely do that, but I just can't see how he wins Roland Garros.
    Oh fair enough regarding Nadal.

    2 Wimbledons, 2 US and 1 Aussie is pretty impressive.

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    It was pretty obvious that Djokovic was going to call the rest of the year off, although less so that Stan would

    Also can't see how Murray is going to be fit, just give title to Roger ffs.

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    Murray pulled out of both of the Masters events, no great surprise. You sort of think, what's the point in going to the US open, feels like it'll just be like Wimbledon again.

    Bigger news is that Amazon have bought the rights to the ATP tour, so that's all ATP Masters events and 500's from 2019. I've never been a huge fan of Sky but this means I need to pay another £80 a year for Amazon prime if I want to watch the ATP tour, which is just annoying. Sky's shedding of so many secondary sports (in their eyes) so they can pay 15 million a match in the prem is getting annoying.

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